Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
JediRobin, I'm guess you haven't played EVE long.

The set of ships are a frigate, cruiser and battleship, like ALL the other pirate factions.

This ship is staying in theme with the others (besides the repairer bonus, which needs removed)

It's like covert ops (frigates), recons (cruisers) and black ops (battleships) The covert and recon can both use covert cloaks, blackops can't. Same idea here


Then I guess you should have told CCP, they totally ignored you here: The BS has no black ops cloak bonus. Covert jump bridge and jump drive are also out. So the Nestor has this weird set of numbers attached to it to make it look as if it fits to the other SOE ships, but then it lacks everything cloak-related.

So you have a cloaky frigate, a cloaky cruiser and a giant space coffin. Guess what doesn't fit in there

This battleship is trying to be all things to all players. It needs more focus. Why does everything have to be about DPS?

There are specialised EWAR battleships that function as larger recon cruisers: the Scorpion, Widow, Bhaalgorn for example. There are no logistics battleships.

The frigate and cruiser in the SOE range are effectively T1 covert ops ships (where the Heron, Magnate, etc are T1 exploration ships). Many (not most, just many) were hoping for a pirate-faction BLOPS.

So here's my idea:

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% armour resistances per level
5% less capacitor requirement for capacitor transfers per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
5% remote repair amount per level
20% to drone velocity per level

Black Ops Skill Bonuses:
125% cloaked velocity per level
10% remote repairer range per level
10% capacitor transfer range per level

Role Bonuses:
+15 virus strength for relic and data analysers
can fit covert cynosural field generators
can fit covert jump portal generators
cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds

Cargo Capacity: 300
Fuel Bay: 3000
Turrets/Launchers: 0

GǪ remaining stats as per current design, noting that consistent with other SOE ships, there is no reduction in targeting delay after decloaking.

This ship will be a cheaper Etana (i.e.: black ops logistics), noting that the capacious drone bay and high drone bandwidth allow this ship to use large logistics drones, with the drone velocity bonus allowing those drones to get their repairs delivered in a timely manner. Also by removing the drone HP and damage bonus, we don't usurp other drone based ships such as the Stratios, Dominix, Gila, Rattlesnake, or Armageddon. Especially of importance is that removing the drone DPS bonus doesn't continue to push null sec warfare to "warp on grid, deploy drones, assist, go make a sandwich." The logistics bonuses from this battleship don't push logistics cruisers out of their roles either.

Increase the virus strength bonus by 5 so that there is an extra incentive to actually use this ship for hacking, rather than just brick-tanking a Stratios.

To put the cherry on the cake, just add structure repair drones to the SOE & CreoDron LP stores. Structure repair drones could repair very slowly, we don't mind since the SOE ships are designed for long term deployment to start with.

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Role bonuses:
500% multiplies the cloaked velocity (Which is less then blackops get with blackops L5)
50% bonus to large energy turret optimal range
50% increased strength for scan probes
+10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers

Note: can jump through covert cynosural fields and cynosural fields

Slot layout: 6H, 6M, 7L; 5 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 11250 PWG, 680 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 8900 / 9950 / 9900
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6200 / 1044 / 5.9
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 92 / .18 / 56000000 / 13.97
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 85km / 85 / 7
Sensor strength: 26 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 465
Cargo Capacity: 700

Now you can get around without your covert ops cloak to explore and what not. Just get your recon, covert ops, or SoE frigate/cruiser light a cyno and bam you have your SoE BS and even with a cloak bonus. Happy now? If not I could care less. That's the best idea I say. Because you aren't getting a covert ops cloak on a BS.

so a better list-

Suggestions:

-Replace RR Bonus with 500% cloaked velocity bonus or MJD Bonus.

-Give +15 strength to analyzers, to make an exploration BS viable.

-Change slot layout to 7H 6M 7L or 7H 5M 8L

Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
hmm.. that's a lot like my idea, but it has a lot more potential DPS.


The difference between them is that your fit only requires 2 skills to be really effective, while mine requires 3. You need to train Amarr for the tank, Gallente for the Drone bonuses, and Advance Drone Interfacing for the Drone Control Units. Not to mention the hassles of dealing with a 4000m3 hi slot module with a 60mil price tag stealing all your hi slots if you really want to use them to get extra drones on the field. I also chose to only provide a velocity bonus to drones not a tracking speed/range bonus so it won't be as useful to sit with 8 Sentries deployed as it would be to keep mobile with 8 Heavies or a mix of drones.

the slot layout is underwhelming, it wont be able to do any real dps nor tank any good, i suggest to change it to a 7/4/8 more adequate for fitting the armor plating, capacitor mods, and damage modules, along with scanners.

as it is currently, that thing is an overpriced piece of crap with no real use. from both the PVP and PVE standpoint.

This man has F&I poisoning and is in critical condition. Prepare the antidote.

This'll be fun

You'll have 24 km optimal range with conflag, and ~48 km optimal range with scorch (without skill bonuses or anything else, just hull 50% bonus)

I'm increasingly fine with the ship just the way it is now- I'd be alright with it not getting any more changes

Honestly, I am more pissed that he is adding stuff without finishing the balancing pass. Otherwise, it throws all the previous work into a bit of an awkward position.

Edit-Clarification: If you are balancing a game but part way through you decide to add a new *weapon* say that is undisputably better than everything else in the class. Now, what you have is what amounts to an OP weapon. It would be an outlier by a significant margin. That would be the case here.

The Nestor is undisputably the strongest drone-boat. In addition, it has a strong turret capability. Add to that it has logi and self-repair capabilities that no other ship can match. Lastly, it would be a strong scanning and site ship which would be just as at home in a PvP blob fleet.

I like them adding things to the game. However, there is also a standard of analysis that needs to be done. This ship is a glaring outlier. It is not really the time to be adding that to the game, especially at this juncture.

If the whole point of tiericide is to broaden the appeal of underused ships and bring some long overdue balance to the game I'm not sure the RS really deserves to be left alone just because it has a tiny niche use used by a tiny portion of the overall EVE player base

It's just too damn cool for it to be so underused and cheap as it is now IMHO.

You can solo L5s in t1 bs & Marauders?

A Black Ops battleship with a t3 covert/nullifier cyno scout can get pretty much anywhere in the universe and there's not much anyone could do to stop it. Whether or not it can do anything once it's there is another question, but the point is there's at least a means for it to travel. The Nestor has no such capability.

I'm still thinking jump capability to covert cyno's would help this out a lot, possibly in place of the RR bonuses.

If it doesn't have something it won't really be desirable for the task at hand. Oddly the Astero and Stratios didn't need the ability to fit covert cloaks, so we already have ships where just because other T1's/faction ships have a limitation doesn't mean these should. And while your suggestions work, why should it be an entire different scale of logistics to get the Nestor to do the same as it's smaller counterparts while still leaving it's actual use more restricted?

"It doesn't need x" != "It shouldn't have x to make it more useable"